SB Classes Vol # 8 part 1-SP

Hare Krsna To All

Obeisances

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

 

Below is part one of two files which are summaries of

Vol # 8 Srimad Bhagavatam classes given by His

Divine Grace A C Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada

 

You will find a lot of nectar contained within and some

of it is briefly given below:

 

1. Economic development is given by God to His bhaktas, just like milk

    automatically appears in a young mother's breast. No separate endeavor required.

2. Your destiny cannot be changed one inch-unless you take to KC

3. Grhastha/mahatma test is how much one id detached from family business 

    and instead how much I want to please Krsna.

4. There are mahatmas even amongst the birds and beasts

5. So long you materially desire-no peace

6. Even in dreams at night we desire things-so learn to desire

    even while dreaming only for Krsna

7. Unless you know your real identity how can you work toward the goal of life?

8. Some people come from India to America where the climate is not as nice/favorable as India's.

    Why?   Only for sex pleasure or to improve ones sense gratification

9. Guru is not to be unlimitedly questioned. First service and surrender, then questions will

    be fruitful. 

 

 

Hare Krsna

Damaghosa das

 

 

SB class Vol 8

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... Before the child is born, you don't find in

the breast of the mother any drop of milk. See. In a young girl, there

is no milk in the breast. But as soon as the child is born,

immediately there is milk. Immediately, spontaneously. This is God's

arrangement. Because the child requires food. Just see how God's

arrangement is there. Still, we are trying for economic development.

If a child is born and God's economic program is so nice, nature's

economic program, that immediately the mother is ready with the

milk... This is economic development. So the same milk is supplied by

the cow. She's actually mother, and this rascal civilization is

killing mother. Mother-killing civilization. Just see. You suck the

breast of your mother from the beginning of your life, and when she's

old if you think, "Mother is useless burden. Cut its throat," is that

civilization?

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 If you have got enough milk production, you can take,

break the milk, and you get cheese. And from cheese, if you... We are

daily doing that. You can make nice preparation, chana. That is very

nutritious, full of protein. And you can make rasagulla, sandesa, so

many other preparations from the casein of the cheese. But they do not

know. Crude civilization, and take a lump of flesh and boil it and

give little salt and black pepper and eat like animal. This is

civilization. This is civilization. Just try to understand. You have

to convince your countrymen that what is this civilization, nonsense

civilization? Stop this kind of civilization. Learn how to become

civilized. Don't claim yourself as civilized man and eating like

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condition, I'm always very happy"? Is there anyone? That rascal

civilization, they cannot understand. They are trying to stop

miserable condition, but he does not know that miserable condition is

his body. Just see how foolish (it) is. He does not know that this

very body is the cause of your miserable condition. They do not know.

They are trying to improve the condition. How you'll improve the

condition? Just like in our Bengal there is a word, jadi jau bange

kapala jabe sange (?). Just like people are going from this country to

that to improve economic condition. But it is a common saying that

"Wherever you rascal go, your fate will go with you." Either you go to

England or India or here and there... Because people are struggling

for economic development. But he does not know that I cannot make an

inch of development beyond the destiny which is already fixed up.

Already fixed up.

   Don't you see that two men, they are working day and night, very

hard. One man has become all of a sudden millionaire, and another man,

he has no employment. Why? Why this distinction? Both of them have

worked hard to improve economic development, but one has become very

quickly millionaire, another is still struggling. He does not know how

to eat tomorrow. Why this arrangement? Who has made this arrangement?

So this is actually study--that you cannot change your fate. Already

fixed up. The material condition of life, as soon as you get a certain

type of body, your pains and pleasure already fixed up within the body

routine work. You cannot make any change. Just like the--I have given

many times-the pig, he's destined to eat stool. Therefore he has been

awarded that type of body. So however you canvass this pig, "Why you

are eating the stool? Take this halava," he'll not take. It will not

take. Because his destiny means he has got that particular type of

body. So these are finer studies.

   So according to the body, everyone's happiness and distress is

already fixed up. You cannot change it. That is called fate. That is

called fate. But you can change your fate if you take to Krsna

consciousness. That is possible. So far your body is concerned

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 At night our business is to sleep, and to indulge in sex. In this

way we are wasting time, night. And daytime, diva carthehaya rajan

kutumba-bharanena va. And in the daytime, we are very busy going this

side, that side. Why? To get some money, div a ca artha ihaya.

Desiring where I shall get money? Where I shall get money? Diva

carthehaya, and as soon as I get money, I spend it, kutumba-bharanena

va, to maintain our family. So where is time for Krsna consciousness?

There is no time sir.

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priti-yukta, he's not interested. Although he is at home, he is not

interested at home. Therefore generally devotees, they become very

reluctant in the interest of maintaining family, children, wife.

Simply as far as possible, duty. So much interested, not any more.

These are the signs. If you want to find out a grhastha mahatma, then

he has got his family, he has got his children, he has got his wife,

he has got his business. He has got to meet so many other people, but

they are, he's not at all interested. Simply behavior, official. "Yes,

yes, it is all right. Yes, it is all right. What you say it is all

right, but I am not interested." This is called disinterested. People

are generally very much interested in these things.

   So if you want to find out a mahatma within the society, not as a

renounced sannyasi, then these are the symptoms. There are other

symptoms. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma, that we shall describe later

on. These are the general symptoms of a mahatma grhastha. He is not

interested in this bodily concept of life, or maintaining very

opulently his family members, or talking very seriously with persons

who are simply materially interested, dehambhara, just to maintain

this body. Of course we require to maintain this body. He is not

neglectful. There is no question of negligence. He takes care of his

children, of his wife, everything, but without any attachment. That is

recommended by the Gosvamis. That, anasaktasya visayan yatharham

upayunjatah. You give education to your children, that is required.

You maintain your wife, that is also required, no negligence, but no

attatchment at the same time. No attachment, that I shall sacrifice

everything for my wife, and children, and home. That is not a

mahatma's business, because he knows that he cannot improve the

destiny. Everybody has got his body with certain destiny already

settled up. That you cannot change. Otherwise everyone is trying to

become very rich, very important, there is no scarcity of endeavor,

but not that everyone is becoming like that. That is called destiny.

   So those who are believer in the sastras, believer in the Supreme

Lord, they believe in destiny also. Therefore sastra says, tasyaiva

hetoh prayateta kovido na labhyate yad bhramatam upary adhah. We

should try for advancing our Krsna consciousness. That is our main

business. Tasyaiva hetoh prayateta kovido. Kovidah means very expert.

He should try for advancing in Krsna consciousness, not for material

advancement. This is civilization. That is, we have already discussed.

Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kastan kaman arhate vid-bhujam ye. If

you think that, "If I work very hard, then I shall improve my

position," that is not possible. Your position is already fixed up.

Then shall I not try for my happiness? Yes. That is replied in the

sastra. Tal labhyate duhkhavad anyatah sukham. You do not try for

distress of life, why does it come? You do not ask God, "Please give

me distress." Nobody asks, but why distress comes? Similarly, if you

do not pray for happiness, if you have got happiness in your destiny,

it will come, as the distress comes. Tal labhyate duhkhavad anyatah

sukham. So don't be misled by so-called happiness and distress. It is

already fixed up. Simply try for advancing in Krsna consciousness.

That is real business.

   Tasyaiva hetoh prayateta kovido. That business can be done very

perfectly well when, mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimuktes, when we

associate with mahatma. It doesn't matter whether he's a sannyasi or

grhastha, he must be mahatma. Mahatma means one who has got

relationship with Krsna. That is described in the Bhagavad...,

mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim asritah, bhajanty

ananya-manaso, that is mahatma. You cannot stamp anybody and become a

mahatma. No. Mahatma's sign is, mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim

prakrtim asritah, bhajanty ananya-manaso. He has no other business.

Simply he has only one business: how to please Krsna. That is mahatma.

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 Therefore in the Bhagavad-gita there is no other business than

bhakti. There is no other business. Karma, jnana, yoga. They are

described, but with the aim to culminate in bhakti. Just like karma.

Krsna said, yat karosi yad asnasi yat tapasyasi kurusva tat

mad-arpanam, "Give it to Me." This is bhakti. So far jnanis are

concerned, Krsna concludes bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam

prapadyate. Jnanis, after many, many births, cultivation of knowledge,

when he actually begins to become a bhakta, then his perfection is

there.

                        bahunam janmanam ante

                       jnanavan mam prapadyate

                         vasudevah sarvam iti

                       sa mahatma su-durlabhah

This is for the jnanis, and for the karmis, yat karosi. Yat karosi,

"Whatever you do, the result you give it to me." That means, bhakti

misra karma, jnana misra bhakti. And for the yogis, he says,

The first class yogi is, who is always thinking of Me. He is

first-class. Yogi's business is to see God within the heart. That is

real yogi. Dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasa pasyanti yam yogino.

Yogi's business is to see in meditation always Krsna or Visnu within

the heart. That is real yogi. Dhyanavasthita, by meditation one has to

see continually. That is called samadhi.

                         yoginam api sarvesam

                         mad-gatenantaratmana

                      sraddhavan bhajate yo mam

                        sa me yuktatamo matah

He is first-class yogi. So everything is there ending in bhakti.

Therefore in the Bhagavad-gita, the only talk is about bhakti, in a

different way, either through karma-yoga, or jnana-yoga, or

hatha-yoga. The point is how to become a devotee, and at the end He

concludes, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja. This is

the conclusion of, so these things cannot be understood by anyone who

is not a devotee. Without being devotee, you cannot understand.

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Acyutananda: How can we...

Prabhupada: I may say many things to you, but when I say something

directly, "Do it," your first duty is to do that. You cannot argue,

"Sir, you said me like this before." No, that is not your duty. What I

say now, you do it. That is obedience. You cannot argue. Of course,

Krsna never said anything contradictory, but if when one thinks

foolishly that Krsna said something contradictory, no, that is not to

be. You could not understand. So even though you could not understand,

you take My direct orders now. Sarva-dharman parityajya mam e..., that

is your business. The master says like that, and the servant's

business is to accept it as it is, without any argument. That's all

right.

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examples of mahatma. Don't misunderstand that we are preaching that

mahatmas are only in India. No. By the order of the Supreme

Personality of Godhead there are mahatmas even amongst the birds, even

amongst the beasts, even amongst the lower than animals. Because this

Krsna consciousness movement is going on in different places, in

different circumstances. That is God's desire. Yada yada hi dharmasya

glanir bhavati bharata tadatmanam srjamy aham. So Krsna wants this.

Just like in your country there is welfare activities by the

government. The welfare department is seeing that nobody is unhappy

for want of money. Similarly, mahatmas, they are also in the welfare

department of Krsna. They are sent to different countries, different

places, different species of life, so that the living entity may take

advantage of Krsna consciousness.

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   So Krsna is so friendly that He always lives with us just to turn

our face towards Krsna. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese arjuna

tisthati. What is His business? He is simply waiting for the time when

we shall turn our face to Krsna. That is His business. But

unfortunately, we do not want Krsna. We want something which is not

Krsna. That is our disease. Still, Krsna is giving us facility.

Bhramayan sarva-bhutani yantrarudhani mayaya. Krsna gives

intelligence, mattah smrtir jnanam apohanam ca, that "You are My part

and parcel. Why you are struggling so hard in this material world?

Come to Me. I will give you all protection." Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo

moksayisyami. He is ready. But I'll not do. That's my obstinacy. At

that time what Krsna will do? He is affectionate father. "All right,

what do you want to do?" "I want to do like this." "All right."

Bhramayan sarva-bhutani yantrarudhani mayaya. He immediately orders

prakrti... Mayadhyaksena prakrteh suyate sa-caracaram. "This living

entity wants a body like this. So give him a body like that." Yantra.

That is called yantra. It is a machine. This body is the machine. And

therefore we are changing, one body to another, yantrarudhani mayaya.

This is our business.

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   So if I am now in a yantra, Mercedes car, and suppose next life I

ride on another yantra which is four-legged dog, then what is the

benefit of this kind of struggle for existence? But that is going on.

Therefore Krsna warns, asraddhadhanah purusa dharmasyasya parantapa

mam aprapya. "The aim of life was to achieve Me," Krsna says, "but the

result is, because he does not hear what I say," mam aprapya

nivartante, "again goes back," mrtyu-samsara-vartmani. This material

world means to take birth and die. That is called

mrtyu-samsara-vartmani. Now I am born as Indian or as brahmana or

something like that. The next life, there is no guarantee. Krsna does

not say that there is guarantee. Krsna says tatha dehantara-praptih.

You have to change your body. Tatha dehantara-praptih dhiras tatra na

muhyati.

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   So if you want to stop these varieties of body, then you should

give up all these nonsense desires. Anyabhilasita-sunyam

jnana-karmady-anavrtam. You are jnani, you are karmi, you are yogi,

but your desires are all different. One yogi wants that "I shall fly

in the sky." One yogi wants, "I shall walk on the water." One yogi

thinks, "I shall create gold and show magic to the rascal people that

I am God." This is going on. One jnani, he is speaking something, one

karmi... This is going on. Therefore there are varieties, varieties of

desires. You have to stop these nonsense desires. That is wanted.

Otherwise, you are implicated. You are implicated. So, therefore you

can stop your desires only by becoming Krsna conscious. Otherwise,

they will go on. Svamin krtartho 'smi varam na yace. This is Dhruva

Maharaja said. He had desires, very, very great desires that "I shall

have, I shall possess a kingdom greater than Brahma, greater than my

father." He was insulted by his stepmother. This is desire. This is We

are Action and reaction. So he desired that "I shall have a great

kingdom--greater kingdom than my father." He went to the forest and he

underwent very severe austerities, a five-years-old boy. He saw, Krsna

came. So when He wanted to give him, fulfill his desires, he said,

svamin krtartho 'smi varam na yace: "No, no, no, no. I have nothing to

ask from You." This is Krsna consciousness. No more desires.

Otherwise, karmi, jnani, yogi, and bhakta. Akamah sarva-kamo va

moksa-kama udara-dhih. Moksa-kama, the jnanis they want moksa, to

merge into the existence of Brahman. The yogis, they want siddhis,

some perfection, material perfection, to show some magic. And the

karmis, they want sense gratification. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu

said that karmi jnani yogi sakali asanta. Asanta, they cannot be at

peace because they are desiring. So long you want, you desire, there

will be no peace. Krsna-bhakta--niskama, ataeva santa.

   So this is the recommendation, nunam pramattah kurute-vikarma. They

are mad after sense gratification and doing everything nonsense which

is forbidden in the sastra. You know, those who are too much after

fulfilling desires, they even kill his own men. He'll kill his own

child. Because the mother desiring that "I have become pregnant. It is

botheration. It will check my sense gratification. Kill." Vikarma.

Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma. He doesn't see that what will be the

result of it. Vikarma. Karma, vikarma, akarma. Karma means prescribed

duties, according... Just like law. "You keep to the right," this is

law. And as soon as you keep to the wrong side, left, it is vikarma.

This is karma and vikarma. But for sense-gratification we execute

vikarma. So therefore we are implicating and we are preparing for the

next life. Yam yam vapi smaran bhavam tyajaty ante kalevaram: at the

time of death these desires become prominent. Even without desire we

get so many ideas and dream at night. So at the time of death, on

account of our vikarma, we shall create a situation, and the next life

we get a similar body. That's all. Nunam pramattah kurute. Na sadhu

manye yata atmano 'yam.

   I have got already one body which is klesada. Everyone has got

experience. No one is here who can say that "My body is very nice.

There is no klesa. There is no pains and pleasure. I am very perfect."

That is not possible. As soon as you get a material body, it must be

subjected to so many sufferings: adhyatmika, adhibautika, adhidaivika.

Tribulations there must be. Material body means klesada. Therefore the

Vedic civilization is to stop getting this material body. That is

Vedic civilization. Not that increase. That is explained in the

Bhagavad-gita. Two things are there. You must accept, you must get the

service of Krsna. Otherwise you go on in this way.

Mrtyu-samsara-vartamani. Asraddadhanan purusa dharmasyasya parantapa

mam aprapya. If you don't get Krsna, then there is no other way. There

is no other alternative. The only alternative is

mrtyu-samsara-vartmani. You get one body and again you die, again get

another body. This will go on. Therefore we should not Na sadhu manye.

Rsabhadeva, boys, said, "This is not good." Na sadhu manye yata atmano

'yam asann api klesada asa dehah.

   So this culture, this education, is practically nil. Especially in

Kali-yuga, it is very regrettable.

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so-called scholar, doctors, Ph.D., D.H.C Just like that Professor

Kotovsky said, "After finishing this body, everything is finished." He

does not know what he is. This is the position. Therefore the

so-called scholars, learned men, whatever they are doing, they are

being defeated because he does not know his identity. Unless you know

your identity, then how can you work for the goal of life? If your

identity is mistaken, then whatever you are doing, that is your

defeat. Yavat kriyas tavad idam mano vai karmatmakam yena

sarira-bandhah. Everyone has got different types of mentality. So

karmatmakam means... That is general mentality, that "I shall work

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 It is a science. We are teaching that somehow or other you

enhance your love for God. Then you are saved. This is a science.

   And how to enhance that love of Godhead? That is our activities: to

rise early in the morning, to offer mangala-aratrika, to dress the

Deity, to offer Him nice foodstuff, to observe festivals, writing

books, distributing them. These are activities in devotional service

that will save us from this repetition of birth and death.

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 Unless you become devotee of Vasudeva, Krsna... Therefore Krsna personally comes and He says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja. That is for

your interest. Krsna says that "You surrender unto Me." It is not

Krsna's interest. If you surrender, not interest, Krsna does not lose

anything. He is omnipotent. He can create millions of devotees like

you by His desire. He doesn't canvass. He is not canvassing, that "You

become My devotee and I shall be very rich." No. Not the purpose. It

is for your interest. The same thing. If you become a devotee of

Vasudeva, then you are saved from this repetition of birth and death.

It is not Krsna's interest. It is Krsna's interest in this way, that

because you are part and parcel, you are son of Krsna... Krsna is the

aham bija-pradah pita... As the father, rich father, He does not like

to see that His son will become a crazy, mad fellow and loiter in the

street. He doesn't want it. But if you do not come back to home, there

is no loss of the father. But if you back to home of a rich father,

then it is your interest. It is your interest.

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 Bhakti means priti, real love. When I actually

love Krsna, that is called priti. Just like we love our beloved, our

child or husband or wife... That is also not love. That is a temporary

sentiment. Actual love is possible with Krsna. That is actual love.

Once you love Krsna, it cannot be broken at any time. It cannot be

broken, any circumstances. So therefore somehow or other we have to...

Yena tena prakarena manah krsne nivesayet. Somehow or other you must

engage yourself in loving Krsna. That is the success of life.

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 So even one is brahmana, he is also under

the grip of material nature. And what to speak of one who is a sudra

or less than a sudra. Everyone is trying to improve himself under the

influence of certain modes of material nature. So when one becomes

vipascit, viveki... Vipascit means enlightened. These, my activities

under the influence of different modes of material nature, this is

waste of time. Even if I become a brahmana, that is also waste of

time, and what to speak of if I become a ksatriya, passionate.

Passionate... This vaisya, this mercantile class of men, they are

passionate and ignorance mixture. They are very active: "I am very

running, I am very busy," but running here and there in ignorance.

Just like you will see the monkey. Monkey is always very busy, but

what is the meaning of his business? He is in ignorance. As soon as a

monkey comes... You have so such disturbance. In India, as soon as a

monkey comes, everyone wants to drive him away. Because he has come to

become business and to make some loss. That's all. That is his

business. Wherever he sits, he will move like this. (makes sounds

moving arms back and forth) He is not at all silent. He is always

active. But because he is monkey, monkey is a symbol of... Ass, they

are symbol of ignorance. Therefore such kind of business is useless.

It is simply harmful.

   So when one comes to understand that "This is my business, this my

goodness, everything, it is all useless. Unless I become attached, I

am a devotee of Vasudeva, Krsna, all these attempts are simply futile

attempts," that is enlightenment. When one understands, "Yes, my only

business is to surrender to Krsna, to love Krsna," then he is to be

understood, he is enlightened, educated. Ei rupe brahmanda bhramite

kona bhagyavan. That is fortune. Yada na pasyaty ayatha guneham

svarthe pramattah. He does not know his interest. Na te viduh

svartha-gatim hi visnum. They do not know that "My svartha, my

interest, my goal of life, is to love, to find out God and to love

Him. That is my real interest." So, so long one is not enlightened to

that standard of life, then he is defeated. Then how he is defeated?

Gata-smrtir, gata-smrtir vindati tatra tapan asadya maithunyam agaram

ajnah. He remains a ajnah, foolish. And what is his happiness? His

happiness is sex life. That's all. That is his happiness. Maithunyam

agaram. He is in the prison house of this material nature, but he does

not know that "I am in prison." He is simply enjoying the three

things. Udaram varitha.(?) Udaram varitha: the tongue, the belly and

the genital. That is stated here. Gata-smrtir vindati. And to enjoy

this material, he has to undergo so much tribulation. Tapan vindati.

   Therefore Govinda dasa sings, sita atapa bata barisana, e dina

jamini jagi re, biphale sevinu krpana durajana, capala sukha-laba

lagi' re. In this country, there is snowfall. Still, people will have

to go to work very hard, day and night. But why? Why they are

accepting such hard labor? Somebody is coming from India in this

country. The climate is not very suitable in comparison to India, but

they have come here to work hard. Why? Sex pleasure. That's all. He

will get money and he will have home and sex pleasure or tongue

pleasure. So therefore it is said, gata-smrtih. Actual. Actually, he

has forgotten. His own business, he has forgotten, but he is entrapped

by a process of sense gratification. Although it is very great

hardship and miserable condition, but he is satisfied because this

sense gratification is there. Gata-smrtih tatra tapan asadya

maithunyam agaram ajnah. Because he is foolish, therefore he likes to

be imprisoned simply for sense gratification.

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Pradyumna: "As long as one does not inquire about the spiritual values

of life, one is defeated and subjected to miseries arising from

ignorance. Be it sinful or pious, karma has its resultant actions. If

a person is engaged in any kind of karma, his mind is called

karmatmaka, colored with fruitive activity. As long as the mind is

impure, consciousness is unclear, and as long as one is absorbed in

fruitive activity, he has to accept a material body."

Prabhupada:

                     parabhavas tavad abodha-jato

                   yavan na jijnasata atma-tattvam

                   yavat kriyas tavad idam mano vai

                   karmatmakam yena sarira-bandhah

It is very quite natural, whatever you do, your mind will be absorbed

in that business. Karmatmakam. Therefore our mind should be engaged

always in Krsna: sa vai manah krsna-padaravindayor. Then we can be

relieved from this sarira-bandhah.

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means To accept guru means the disciple should be very very eager to

know. Sad-dharma prcchat. Adau gurvasrayam. Why you accept a guru? "It

is a fashion." Fashion. Nowadays they accept a guru fashion. "Everyone

has guru. Everyone has a dog. Well, let me keep a dog." Like that. A

pet dog. So similarly, to keep a pet guru, that is not One should be

very inquisitive: sad-dharma prcchat. And everywhere the same thing.

Pariprasna. Tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya. But don't make

inquiries cheap: "Here is my guru, and he's meant for answering all my

questions. Let me go on questioning, questioning, questioning." No.

Sevaya. You must serve. You must be ready to serve him. Then you have

got right to make question. Otherwise not. Two things. First of all,

you must find out a person where you can fully surrender, pranipatena.

And then you can inquire, and the inquiry should be compensated by

seva. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasada. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam

eva sphuraty adah. The more you are inclined to render seva, the more

the truth becomes revealed.

                       yasya deve para bhaktir

                        yatha-deve tatha gurau

                      tasyaite kathita hy arthah

                       prakasante (mahatmanah)

It is a different science. The more you are inclined to render

service, the more spiritual truth becomes revealed. And two things: if

you are not inquisitive, don't bother yourself to have a guru.

Useless. There is no need. Tasmad gurum prapadyeta. Tasmad. Therefore.

What is therefore? Jijnasuh sreya uttamam. If you are inquisitive

about transcendental science, sreya uttamam... Sreya and preya--two

things are there. Sreya means ultimate good, and preya means immediate

sense gratification, it is preya. And sreya means ultimate good. So if

one is inquisitive to know what is the ultimate goal of life, for him,

a guru is required. But if he wants immediate some sense

gratification, he doesn't require a guru. For sense gratification

there is no need of guru. Even these birds and beasts, they know how

to gratify senses. There is no need of university or teacher. Say for

sex life, nobody requires to go to the university. They know.

Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam ca. These four things, there is no need of

university education.

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   There are two kinds of strong avidya, ignorance, unawareness.

Sattva-guna, rajo-guna, tamo-guna. Rajo-guna and tamo-guna is

covering. Tamo-guna is very densely covering, and rajo-guna little

open, and sattva-guna means prakasa, there is illumination,

brahminical qualifications. When one is in the sattva-guna then he can

understand that "I am not this body. I am different from this body."

For them, those who are in the sattva-guna, for them it is easier. So

therefore the process is Human civilization means not to drag somebody

who is already in the sattva-guna or in the family of sattva-guna, to

drag him down to the tamo-guna. The modern civilization is like that.

The allurement of material civilization is so strong and so bad that

those who are by pious activities born in brahmana family, they are

being dragged to the tamo-guna behavior like sudras. They are learning

how to drink, how to eat meat, how to have illicit sex. These are the

symptoms of tamo-guna, lowest type of tamo-guna. There are different

degrees of guna. The degrees are so mixed up. Therefore three gunas is

manifested into 8,400,000 different forms of life, mixture. You can

calculate. We have several times calculated. Three multiplied by three

equals nine. Nine multiplied by nine, eighty-one. So therefore there

are so many varieties. So human civilization should be so arranged

that never mind, it is so mixed up, you have to gradually draw him

again to the sattva-guna. That is human civilization. Not that drag

him again to the tamo-guna. Somebody, by pious activities, by good

work, he's already in the sattva-guna, but the arrangement The social,

political, economical arrangement is so bad that one is dragged to the

tamo-guna. This is not civilization. This is degradation. Civilization

means elevation. The aim is how to become disconnected with this

material body. This is civilization.

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So, one has to be vipascit, learned, to understand the interest of

life, self-interest. Everyone is working, especially the karmis, the

jnanis, the yogis, and mixed devotees, they are working for

self-interest. The devotees also, so long there is self, there is

self-interest also. So there is little difference, that the devotees,

they work for Super-self-interest. There is self, but it is

Super-self-interest. And the karmis, jnanis, yogis they work for

individual self-interest. Self-interest there must be.

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This is material world, aham mameti, "I am this," artho 'ham, balavan

aham. "I am everything," aham, "and this is mine. This is my property.

This is my country. This is my society. This is my nation." Mine,

mine, mine. And I, I, I. This is material world. Krsna says, bhoktaram

yajna-tapasam sarva-loka-mahesvaram. The Supreme Personality of

Godhead declares clearly that "I am the proprietor." Sastra says, Veda

says, isavasyam idam sarvam: it is God's property, everything. We are

claiming, our country, "This is my country," but as soon as you go on

the beach of the sea, your country finishes, the land. Then whose, the

water, whose water that is? But the foolish person: "No, it is in my

throne(?), it is mine."

   So this is moha, illusion.

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sannyasi. Without becoming brahmana, there is no question of becoming

sannyasa. In the Sankara-sampradaya they are very strict. Unless one

is born in a brahmana family, he is not awarded the sannyasa. That is

the stricture. But according to our Vaisnava, according to Caitanya

Mahaprabhu, pancaratriki-viddhi, if there is little tendency of the

person to become devotee, he is given the chance. Never mind he's born

in a sudra family, a candala family. That is sanctioned in the sastra:

kirata-hunandhra-pulinda pulkasa abhira-sumbha yavanah khasadayah, ye

'nye ca papa. Anyone. Krsna also says, mam hi partha vyapasritya ye

'pi syuh papa-yonayah. So Narada Muni, he is a great devotee, he has

given allowance to everyone to become a brahmana, to become a

sannyasi. First of all he must be trained up to become a brahmana,

then sannyasi. This is a fact. Without becoming a brahmana, there is

no question of sannyasa.

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   Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu when He delivered Jagai-Madhai... This

Jagai-Madhai was debauch, drinking, illicit sex, meat eating and these

things, degradation. These four principles are the four pillars of

degradation. Therefore we prohibit. That if you want to make progress

in Krsna consciousness, you must give up these four principles. So,

Caitanya Mahaprabhu made this condition, that if you promise that you

will give up these four principles of sinful life, then I will accept

you. Never mind whatever you have done in the past. Every man is

sinful, there is no doubt about it, more or less. That is not

disqualification. If he agrees to give up that, then immediately he

becomes liberated. That is Krsna also says in the Bhagavad..., aham

tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami. Liberation is not very difficult. It

can be obtained in one minute, provided you want to take it. Just like

Krsna says,

                       sarva-dharman parityajya

                        mam ekam saranam vraja

                       aham tvam sarva-papebhyo

                        moksayisyami ma sucah

So, if you are free from the resultant action of sinful life, then

you are liberated. If you get shelter at the lotus feet of Krsna, and

do not act in such a way that you again fall down, then you are

liberated. Liberation means, we have several times discussed, hitva

anyatha-rupam svarupena vyavasthitih. Our svarupa means original,

constitutional position is jivera svarupa haya nitya-krsna-dasa,

eternally servant of Krsna. So as soon as we place ourselves in our

original place, then you are liberated immediately.

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   Krsna is not stereotyped, that He has to be served in this way

only. No, Krsna can accept service in so many ways. There are

dvadasa-rasa, akhila-rasamrta-sindhu. Just like Krsna is enjoying when

Bhismadeva was piercing His body with the arrows. He was enjoying.

This is also rasa. Bhisma, purposefully, he knows Krsna is the Supreme

Lord, still, he is devotee, he was giving Him pleasure by throwing

arrows on His body. So Krsna takes pleasure in that. Krsna does not

take pleasure only when you throw rose flowers. He can take pleasure

when you can pierce. If you are actually able to do that. So that is

Krsna.

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   But the policy is that his money, which is accumulated for sense

gratification... In Western countries they accumulate millions of

dollars and at the last moment he gives to his dog. (laughter) There

are many instances, you know better than me. He has no, nobody even,

because they do not marry, no children, no friend, so the dog is the

best friend in Western country. Every gentleman must have this best

friend, pet dog. So ultimately, because there is nobody to give, he

gives it to the dog. Makes a will that my dog will get it and they'll

give him jewelry, ornaments and so on, so on, so on. We have got

practical experience, the big palace which we have purchased in

Detroit, the man did not marry, so ultimately he bequeathed the whole

estate to the dog. (laughter) And there is a tomb of the dog.

(laughter)

   So, one has to do it. If he does not do it for God, then he will

have to do it ultimately to the dog. So better, so long you have got

money, spend it for God. San-nimitte varam tyago vinase niyate

sati(?). This is the instruction of Canakya Pandita, that whatever

money you have got, it will be spent. You cannot keep it. Either the

money will go from you, or you have to go from the money. You cannot

keep together. That is not possible. If you don't spend the money for

Krsna, if you keep it, that "I shall see it. I shall lick up this

money and become happy..." Krpana, that those who are miser, they do

not spend money for Krsna but they see the money. Therefore it has

become a problem for us, how to spend the money. How to spend the

money for Krsna, that is our policy. We do not want to keep money. We

cannot keep, that is not possible. Somebody will take it. Ultimately

the government will take. Better spend it for Krsna. Spend it for

Krsna that is the right use. San-nimitte varam tyago vinase niya...

Canakya Pandita, he was great politician, he is advising that if you

have got money, spend it for Krsna. Don't keep it. Spend it for Krsna.

Why? It will be spoiled. Today or tomorrow it will be spoiled.

Somebody will take and spoil it. Better, if you spend it for Krsna, at

least your service will be recognized. Krsna will see that this man is

spending his hard-earned money for Me. That is called ajnata-sukrti.

This service to Krsna, this inclination, does not arise unless one is

very, very, good asset he has got.

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kotibhih sukrti(?). This desire that I shall serve Krsna, it is not

ordinary thing. Na janma kotibhih sukrtibhir labhyate. But it is

possible if we accumulate this sukrti, all right little service,

little service, little service. Therefore the preacher's business is

to engage these fools and rascals, who are very enthusiastic in the

activities of sense gratification. If they are somehow or other

engaged in Krsna's service, they accumulate sukrti, sukrti.

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agreed, "All right, let us leave this place." So immediately, they

transferred the whole village with their possessions, cloth or

something, everything, within one hour. And they transported by the

bullock cart to Nandagrama. That means, the idea is the whole village

was transferred from one village to another within very short time. So

the transport is required, the transport by bullock carts. s

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there. So nature's arrangement, God's arrangement is there. Transport

is required in the human society, but you can utilize so many animals

for your purpose. But at the present moment, ugra-karma. The transport

is there, but they have manufactured big, big buses for transport,

big, big cars, and the animals, they are now killed and eat. That's

all. This is civilization. This is civilization. Not to reduce the

labor, but increase the labor. Therefore they are called ugra-karma,

jagatah hita, and that will create disastrous condition of the human

society. This is discussed in Bhagavad-gita.

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   So these are the items we should, nirvaira-samyopasamena putra

jihasaya deha-geha. This is also one of the important items, that I am

executing devotional service, but I have no detachment from my family

life. The bhakti-yoga means bhaktih paresanubhavo viraktir anyatra

syat. That is bhakti-yoga. Everyone can test, "How much I have become

detached from my, this worldly affection. This is my family, this is

my country, this is my society, this is my son, this is my wife, this

is my children." This is moha. Janasya moho 'yam aham mameti, we have

to give up this. If we have not been able to give up this attachment,

worldly attachment, that means we are not making any progress.

Therefore it is said clearly, deha-gehatma. Eh? Buddheh. What is that?

Jihasaya deha-gehatma-buddheh. Atma-buddheh. Deha-gehatma-buddheh.

Everyone is thinking "I am this body." Everyone is thinking, "This is

my country," nationalism. "This is my socialism." "I am brahmana, I

belong to the brahmanas," "I belong to the ksatriyas." "I belong to

America." "I belong to India." This is deha-gehatma-buddheh, and

yasyatma-buddhih kunape tri-dhatuke. Anyone who is thinking like that,

deha-gehatma, sa eva go-kharah, he is no better than the cows and the

asses, animal. Deha-gehatma-buddheh is animal conception. One has to

come to understand that "I am not this body, I am not this mind or

intelligence." Aham brahmasmi, I am part and parcel of Krsna, Param

Brahman..

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                        sruti-smrti-puranadi-

                        pancaratra-vidhim vina

                       aikantiki harer bhaktir

                         utpatayaiva kalpate

There are so many they have invented. Just like Hare Krsna mantra is

prescribed in the sastras, and they have invented so many. Although

there is the name of the Supreme Lord, still you have to follow the

sastra. If you say Rama Rama Rama, Radhe Radhe Radhe, Krsna, there are

so many mentioned. That is also name, but you have to follow the

sastra. Sastra says:

             Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare

               Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

You have to take that. Not that you can say, nitai-gaura radhe-syama,

hare krsna hare rama, no. Why? Is there any in the sastra? No, you

have invented. What is the value of your invention? You are not

perfect. But they like that "It is my guru, I have got some followers,

I invent some type of chanting." This is nonsense. You must follow,

mahajano yena gatah sa panthah. You cannot invent…

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   The story of the potter The potter is planning. He has got few pots

and he is planning, "Now I have got these four pots and I will sell. I

will make some profit. Then there will be ten pots. Then I'll sell ten

pots, I'll make some profit. I'll get twenty pots and then thirty

pots, forty pots. In this way I shall become millionaire. And at that

time I shall marry, and I shall control my wife in this way and that

way. And if she is disobedient, then I shall kick her like this." So

when he kicked, he kicked the pots and all the pots broke. (laughter)

So then his dream is gone. You see? Similarly, we are simply dreaming.

With few pots we are simply dreaming that "These pots will be

increased into so many pots, so many pots, so many pots," then

finished. Don't make imagination, make plan. That is... The guru, the

spiritual master and the government should be careful that "These

rascals may not make plan. This rascal may not make plan to be happy."

Na yojayet karmasu karma-mudhan. This is karma-jagat, this world. This

material world is that. They are already inclined, so what is the use?

Loke vyayayamisa-madya-seva nityastu jantuh. Just like sex life. Sex

life is natural. It does not require any university education how to

enjoy sex. They will enjoy it. Nobody... "Nobody is taught how to cry

or how to laugh or how to enjoy sex life." There is a Bengali saying.

That is natural. You don't require any education for this karma. Now

they are making big, big plans to educate people how to work hard.

This is waste of life. Educational institution should be for teaching

people how to become Krsna conscious, not to become this or that. That

is waste of time, because that program will never be successful. Tal

labhyate duhkhavad anyatah sukham kalena sarvatra gabhira-ramhasa. The

nature's law is working Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah.

Whatever

   Therefore our Vedic civilization is that people are satisfied in

his own position, a brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra. Whatever by

God's grace he got, he was satisfied. The real energy was utilized how

to become eligible to receive mercy of Krsna. That is wanted, how to

learn how to surrender to Krsna. Then aham tvam sarva-papebhyo

moksayisyami. That was the end. In India we find not that... The great

sages, rsis, they wrote so many books, but they used to live in a

cottage. Only the kings, the ksatriya, because they had to rule over,

they used to construct big, big palaces. No one else. They lived very

simple life, very simple life. Not waste time for so-called economic

development, skyscraper building, subways and so on, so on. This was

not Vedic civilization. This is asuric civilization.

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how. So Krsna will be very much pleased if you simply... Krsna says...

Here it is said that mal-loka-kamah. How one can go to Krsnaloka or

Vaikunthaloka? Very easy. Very easy. Krsna personally says. It is not

our manufactured word. Krsna said, man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji

mam namaskuru. Do these four things: "Always think of Me." That is

Krsna conscious. Manmana bhava mad-bhaktah: "Become My devotee.

Worship Me and offer obeisances to Me," and asamsaya, "you'll come."

Mal-loka. Very good. Very easy thing. Asamsaya. "Without any doubt

you'll come to Me." Why do they not accept this proposal of Krsna? It

is not our manufacture. We are not washing brain. It is Krsna's word,

that simply by doing four things, manmana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji

mam namaskuru mam evaisyasi asamsayah, without any doubt. That is

required. Krsna will be pleased.

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you are delivered, you are liberated. Just like you will find one

aeroplane is going up and up, up, up, and at a time you will find the

aeroplane is no more seen (indistinct). That does not mean he has

merged in the sky. He has got a separate existence, but you cannot

see. Even one has got so high, it does not mean that he has merged

into the sky. If he does not get another shelter, he will come back

again. He will come back again. He has not merged. There is no

question of merging. Brahmajyoti means the..., it is the combination

of millions and trillions of sparks of living entities. That is

brahmajyoti. They are not mixed up. They are just like the sunshine.

The sunshine, it is not one homogeneous substance. There are millions

and trillions of shining particles. Combination is called sunshine. It

is not that they are merged. Similarly, every individual soul is

individual. Krsna says, "Arjuna, you, Me, and all these soldiers and

kings, they were existing before, they are now existing now, and they

will continue to exist in the future." So where is mixture? You, me,

and all of you, we are different individuals, and Krsna says--not

ordinary person--that "They were individuals in the past, they are

individual now, and they will continue to become individual." So where

is this question of merging? There is no question of merging.

Mamaivamso jiva-bhutah jiva-loka sanatanah, eternally they are

individuals, and eternally they will keep individual.

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 And if you are really advanced in knowledge, then panditah sama-darsinah.

Then you are actually pandita, not falsely to be called pandita and

number one fool. That is not pandita. Panditah sama-darsinah. The

defect of the modern civilization is that there is no pandita. All

rascals. All rascals. Therefore they have demarcated, "This is India,"

"This is America." No. Everything belongs to Krsna. Then there will be

peace. If in the United Nation they simply pass one resolution with

determination, that "The whole planet belongs to Krsna, the Supreme

Personality of Godhead, and we are all His sons," there is no trouble.

   There is no scarcity. Krsna has created this world in such a way

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   So if we actually formulate peace formula, then everything is

possible. Simply we have to accept the instruction of Krsna. Our Krsna

consciousness movement is for this purpose. We are simply requesting

to accept the Krsna philosophy. Then the whole world will be peaceful.

There is no doubt about it.

                       bhoktaram yajna-tapasam

                        sarva-loka-mahesvaram

                        suhrdam sarva-bhutanam

                      jnatva mam santim rcchati

These rascals, their mentality is like the dogs, and they are making

United Nation. A dog can be united? Is it possible? No. You bring

several dozens of best dog and ask them, "Please live peacefully. We

shall give you food, everything." It is not in their capacity to live

peacefully. So even there is already ample economic development,

sufficiency, but because the mentality is doggish, the so-called farce

of United Nation, they are fighting with one another. It is not

possible.

  

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Just like in the Vaikunthaloka, that is... But in the

material world, when one is not covered by the gross body but subtle

body, they are called ghosts or pramathas. Those who are good, not

harmful, they are called pramathas. And those who are harmful... As in

this material world there are good men and bad men, similarly, amongst

the persons who has no this gross body, they are sometimes called

ghosts and sometimes they are called pramatha.

   So in this way, varieties of life, beginning from the insects and

the aquatics, animal, up to the point of Lord Brahma. But they are all

within this material world. It does not mean because the Gandharvas,

Siddhas, they have got higher standard of life and power hundreds and

thousands times more than our power, do not think that they are

liberated persons. They are not liberated person. They are all

conditioned soul.

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protkhata-damstrayate. And indriya samyamah, the yogis, they are

trying to control the senses. Yoga indriya sam... That is the real

purpose. Our indriyas are so disturbing, just like kala-sarpa. You are

sitting here. If one snake comes, immediately you'll be all disturbed,

immediately. So to... Disturbing why? Because every one of us, we

know, "Here is a kala-sarpa." Kala-sarpa means anyone it bites,

immediately death. Immediately death. But this kala-sarpa is dreadful,

vicious, so long the fangs are there. Protkhata damstrayate. If the

fangs, the poison fangs, are taken away, or if you know, "Here is a

snake, but the snake's fangs have been taken away," you'll not be

afraid. Visa hina sarpah. Visa hina sarpah.

   So for a devotee this kala-sarpa-paali automatically subdued

because they do not use the senses for sense gratification. They are

engaged in the service of Krsna. If our senses are engaged in the

service of Krsna, the poisonous fangs are taken away. It is no more

dreadful. There is no need of practicing indriya samyamah. Indriya

samyamah automatically. One who is Krsna conscious, he is not

disturbed. Just like Haridasa Thakura. He did not go to control the

senses, but because he was chanting... He practiced chanting. A

beautiful prostitute at dead of night offered her body to be enjoyed.

He said, "Yes, I shall satisfy you. Please sit down. Let me finish my

chanting." This is kala-sarpa-paali protkhata-damstrayate. He was not

even agitated. This is the benefit of becoming a favorite servant of

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

   Thank you very much. (end)

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So Rsabhadeva is teaching us what is the value of brahminical culture.

Human society without brahminical culture is animal society. We offer

our obeisances to the Lord, namo brahmanya-devaya go-brahmana-hitaya

ca. Krsna is first of all interested to see whether in the society the

brahmana and the cow is properly respected. Namo brahmanya-devaya

go-brahmana-hitaya ca. His first business is to see that the brahmana

and cow is being properly honored. Then jagad-dhitaya. Then

automatically the whole world will be peaceful. This secret of success

they do not know. Nobody is prepared to become brahmana, and so far

cow protection is concerned, it is in the oblivion. This is the whole

world position. Therefore it is in chaotic condition. It must be,

because this is animal society. When these two things are neglected,

it is animal society, and then other animal qualities and

paraphernalia follow.

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Unless we control the base qualities, namely the modes of ignorance

and passion, you cannot be happy. It is not possible. Tato

rajas-tamo-bhavah. Rajas tamo-bhavah means kama and lobha. So long I

have lusty desire and so long I have greediness to acquire more and

more and more, to enjoy senses more and more That is greediness. One

should be satisfied, the minimum possible.

   Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam ca samanyam etat pasubhir naranam.

Ahara means eating. Ahara, nidra, sleeping, and fearing, and sense

enjoyment. These are required, but not for increasing but decreasing.

Just like when a person is diseased he should not eat as he likes.

Because he is diseased, doctor prescribes that "You take little barley

water or glucose, no solid food, if you want to be cured." Similarly,

these things are necessity so long this body is there.

Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. But this should be decreased, not

increased. That is human civilization, not to increase. Just like the

Gosvamis in Vrndavana. They did not come here to increase

ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. No. They came here to decrease.

Nidrahara-viharakadi-vijitau. That is wanted. This is Vrndavana-vasi,

not that to live in Vrndavana and increase this

ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. This is not Vrndavana-vasa. The monkeys

are also living in Vrndavana, and the dogs are also and hogs are

living in Vrndavana. But they do not know how to decrease

ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam. You'll see the monkeys. They are also in

Vrndavana. But you'll find one male monkey followed by three dozen

female monkeys. That is not vrndavana-vasa. Ahara-nidra. That means it

requires brahminical culture, damo, samo. That is wanted. That is

brahminical culture.

   Unfortunately the present civilization, they are not meant for

decreasing. They are simply increasing. The Western civlization means

increasing the means of sense gratification, "machine, machine,

machine, machine." So, and the brahminical culture means samo damo

titiksa. Titiksa means without something I may suffer. Suffer. So one

should be practiced to suffer. Suffer, that is tapasya. Tapasa

brahmacaryena. Tapasya begins from celibacy. We are practiced to sex

life or sense gratification. Tapasya means first of all stop this.

Tapasa brahmacaryena. This is practice.

   So to become fit for going back to home, back to Godhead, it is not

so easy. It is not so easily... We have to make our material life

almost zero. Not almost zero--practically zero. Anyabhilasita-sunyam.

That is wanted, practice. Therefore this, our Krsna consciousness..

761110SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225361/530501

In European and American cities we have seen how people are working very hard,

beginning from morning at five o'clock till four o'clock next night,

for sense gratification. So this is not civilization. This is

condemned civilization. Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kastan kaman

arhate vid-bhujam ye. This is not civilization. This is animal

civilization, working so hard day and night for eating. That is the

business of the hogs and dogs. You will find the hogs and dog, they

are loitering on the street whole day and night: "Where is food? Where

is sex?" That is not civilization. They must be peaceful brahmana. Of

course, not that everyone can be elevated to the position of a

brahmana, but at least they must have the chance to see that "Here is

a class of men, brahmana." That is wanted. Otherwise the civilization

is failure.

   Therefore it is said, na brahmanais tulaye bhutam anyat. Actual

brahmana, not the so-called brahmana, that was the Vedic culture. Just

like Krsna Himself. He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. When He

received Sudama Vipra, a brahmana, He immediately vacated His own

seat: "My dear friend, sit down here." And Krsna's first wife?

Devotee: Rukmini.

Prabhupada: Rukmini. He (she) took immediately the camara. He (she)

said, "My husband is respecting." But he was dressed very poorly, lean

and thin. Brahmana, because they refuse unnecessary necessities of

life, sometimes they look very poor, poverty-stricken. They are not

poverty-stricken. They are the richest. Mahatmanas tu mam partha

daivim prakrtim sritah, bhajanty ananya-manaso. Those who are engaged

in bhajana never think of their poverty. No. They are not poor.

Otherwise, if Sudama Vipra, externally he looked very poor, lean and

thin, not very nice cloth... Krsna is: "My dear friend, sit down

here." He brought water, washed the feet, just respectable person,

guru, brahmana. This is etiquette. Krsna is showing personally. He is

the king. He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He also respects a

brahmana. When Narada used to come to Krsna, immediately He would get

down from the seat and offer obeisances, and Narada was smiling, "Just

see Krsna's lila."

   So this is the way, brahmana. That brahmana, the India, the

brahmanas, their sons later on, later ages, taking advantage of the

facility offered to the brahmanas, so without qualification of

brahmana, they wanted the facility for nothing, very cheap. Therefore

the brahminical culture is failure now. They are... They should be

real brahmanas, ssamo damo. But nobody is prepared to practice samo

damo titiksa, but he wants the respect of a brahmana. This is the

cause of India's culture being failure at the present moment. They...

"First deserve, then desire." So without deserving, they desired.

Therefore whole thing is..., it became false. So that is not the

purpose. Even somebody says that "Without culture one can remain a

brahmana," but sastra does not say that. Sastra says culture is the

first consideration.

                    yasya hi yad laksanam proktam

                          varnabhivyanjakam

                     yady anyatrapi vinirdrsyeta

                        tat tenaiva vinirdiset

So laksanam must be, laksanam, the symptom, what is brahmanas'

symptoms. So my request to you, the Europeans and American boys, you

have been initiated as brahmana but you must practice the laksana.

Otherwise, if you think, puffed up, that "Now I have got the sacred

thread. My business is finished. I can do whatever I like," no. That

is not. Laksanam. Laksanam means symptoms. That you must observe,

laksanam. Yasya hi yad laksanam proktam. Then nobody can check you.

You will be very much dear of Krsna. Namo brahmanya-devaya go

brahmana-hitaya ca. If you keep yourself in the platform of a true

brahmana as you are expected... It is not difficult. We have selected

the four principles: no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication,

and no gambling. That's all. If you keep to these practices, then you

remain. And if you chant, then above brahmana, you become Vaisnava.

Manmana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru. Qualify yourself as a

brahmana. Qualify yourself as a Vaisnava. Then your position is

guaranteed. Kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati. Sure.

Guranteed.

761110SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225354/530501

So Rsabhadeva is teaching us what is the value of brahminical culture.

Human society without brahminical culture is animal society. We offer

our obeisances to the Lord, namo brahmanya-devaya go-brahmana-hitaya

ca. Krsna is first of all interested to see whether in the society the

brahmana and the cow is properly respected. Namo brahmanya-devaya

go-brahmana-hitaya ca. His first business is to see that the brahmana

and cow is being properly honored. Then jagad-dhitaya. Then

automatically the whole world will be peaceful. This secret of success

they do not know. Nobody is prepared to become brahmana, and so far

cow protection is concerned, it is in the oblivion. This is the whole

world position. Therefore it is in chaotic condition. It must be,

because this is animal society. When these two things are neglected,

it is animal society, and then other animal qualities and

paraphernalia follow.

761110SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225357/530501

Unless we control the base qualities, namely the modes of ignorance

and passion, you cannot be happy. It is not possible. Tato

rajas-tamo-bhavah. Rajas tamo-bhavah means kama and lobha. So long I

have lusty desire and so long I have greediness to acquire more and

more and more, to enjoy senses more and more That is greediness. One

should be satisfied, the minimum possible.

   Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam ca samanyam etat pasubhir naranam.

Ahara means eating. Ahara, nidra, sleeping, and fearing, and sense

enjoyment. These are required, but not for increasing but decreasing.

Just like when a person is diseased he should not eat as he likes.

Because he is diseased, doctor prescribes that "You take little barley

water or glucose, no solid food, if you want to be cured." Similarly,

these things are necessity so long this body is there.

Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. But this should be decreased, not

increased. That is human civilization, not to increase. Just like the

Gosvamis in Vrndavana. They did not come here to increase

ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. No. They came here to decrease.

Nidrahara-viharakadi-vijitau. That is wanted. This is Vrndavana-vasi,

not that to live in Vrndavana and increase this

ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. This is not Vrndavana-vasa. The monkeys

are also living in Vrndavana, and the dogs are also and hogs are

living in Vrndavana. But they do not know how to decrease

ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam. You'll see the monkeys. They are also in

Vrndavana. But you'll find one male monkey followed by three dozen

female monkeys. That is not vrndavana-vasa. Ahara-nidra. That means it

requires brahminical culture, damo, samo. That is wanted. That is

brahminical culture.

   Unfortunately the present civilization, they are not meant for

decreasing. They are simply increasing. The Western civlization means

increasing the means of sense gratification, "machine, machine,

machine, machine." So, and the brahminical culture means samo damo

titiksa. Titiksa means without something I may suffer. Suffer. So one

should be practiced to suffer. Suffer, that is tapasya. Tapasa

brahmacaryena. Tapasya begins from celibacy. We are practiced to sex

life or sense gratification. Tapasya means first of all stop this.

Tapasa brahmacaryena. This is practice.

   So to become fit for going back to home, back to Godhead, it is not

so easy. It is not so easily... We have to make our material life

almost zero. Not almost zero--practically zero. Anyabhilasita-sunyam.

That is wanted, practice. Therefore this, our Krsna consciousness

761110SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225361/530501

That is called greediness. The Vedic civilization teaches that "Be

satisfied with the minimum necessities of life. Don't increase

unnecessary necessities of life, and then you have to work for it very

hard like hogs and dogs." That's all. Then you have to work very...

Modern world, they have increased their unnecessary necessities of

life, and therefore you'll find how hard working. In European and

American cities we have seen how people are working very hard,

beginning from morning at five o'clock till four o'clock next night,

for sense gratification. So this is not civilization. This is

condemned civilization. Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kastan kaman

arhate vid-bhujam ye. This is not civilization. This is animal

civilization, working so hard day and night for eating.

761111SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225377/530501

The bhakti-yoga we are teaching in this Krsna

consciousness movement twenty-four hours' engagement. Superficially we

engage from four o'clock in the morning till ten o'clock at night, and

that is resting time. But when one is advanced in devotional service,

while sleeping he also serves Krsna. That means twenty-four hours,

satatam. That depends on Because in sleeping you also dream, so what

we do during daytime we dream at night. So if one is cent percent

engaged in Krsna's service, naturally he'll dream also at night. I

have seen one of our intimate relative. He was a businessman, selling

cloth. So in dream also he was quoting price of cloth. So that is

natural. That is not unnatural. Therefore we have to practice. At the

time of death, somehow or other, if we quote the price of Krsna, then

our life are successful. Therefore we should practice: Hare Krsna,

Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare. Yam yam vapi smaran bhavam tyajaty

ante kalevaram. If we practice Krsna, then naturally it is expected

that at the time of death we remember Krsna. Then immediately we are

transferred to the Krsnaloka, immediately. Tyaktva deham punar janma

naiti mam eti. Immediately. There is no doubt about it. Simple thing,

but it requires practice.

761111SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225378/530501

Vasudevah sarvam iti. That is pure sattva, when there is no other

conception, simply Vasudeva. Vasudeva is the platform. Just like

Vasudeva was the father of Krsna. When Krsna appeared, Vasudeva was

the father. So suddha-sattva is Vasudeva. Vasudeva means there is no

contamination of ignorance or passion, simply sattva-guna. Tato rajas

tamo bhava kama-lobhadayas ca ye, ceta etair anaviddham. When your

mind and consciousness will not be contaminated by the modes of

ignorance and passion, that is suddha-sattva. That is suddha-sattva.

That is spiritual platform, vasudeva. Then Vasudeva will beget Krsna.

Sattvam visuddham vasudeva-sabditam. So if we purify our existence,

another Krsna comes or Krsna's devotees come. They come in

suddha-sattva. Sattvam paramam pavitram

761114SB.VRN                   Lectures      This child is so crying. From three

miles we can hear. Balanam rodanam balam. This is strength of the

children, crying. They can disturb the whole world (laughter) simply

by crying. So just see. This is the body, immediately. You cannot cry

like that. Even if you are aggrieved, you cannot cry so loudly that up

to four miles one can hear. That is not possible. Why it is not

possible? Because he has got a different body and you have got a

different. Everything is going on according to the body. This is

maha-vimoha. This is going on, 8,400,000's of different forms of body…

761114SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225434/530501

se rase majiya, mukhe bolo hari hari. This is instruction, that we can

chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, we can chant the holy name of the

Lord, purely, without offense. Because if we can chant Hare Krsna

maha-mantra once only--if it is pure--then immediately you become

liberated. Ekara hari name yata papa hare, papi haya tata papa

karibare nare. Harinama is so powerful that once chanting, immediately

vanquishes the accumulated sinful reaction of millions of lives. Papi

haya tata papa karibare. Every papi, sinful man, is very expert in

committing sinful activities. But harinama is so expert that once

chanted, the papi, the sinful man, will be failure to commit sin

anymore.

   But the difficulty is that we cannot come to the pure stage of

chanting Hare Krsna mantra. Due to our past habits our mind is

disturbed. We cannot concentrate. Therefore we have fixed up the

minimum. We cannot imitate Haridasa Thakura. That is not possible. If

somebody imitates Haridasa Thakura... We can see this chanting Hare

Krsna and smoking bidi. We can understand what is the position. The

offense is going on. Therefore we should try to avoid the ten kinds of

offenses. Of course, in the beginning the offenses will continue. But

chanting, chanting, chanting, chanting, as soon as we become purified

Ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam. By chanting,

chanting, chanting repeatedly, when our, the core of heart will be

cleansed, ceto-darpana-marjanam, then immediately

bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam, this maha-vimoha...

761115SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225461/530501

Kanistha-adhikari, he worships the Deity, but he does not know how to

do good to others, neither he knows who is devotee. In the

kanistha-adhikara, in the lower stage of devotional service, one

cannot distinguish. But he should be engaged fully in Deity worship so

that gradually he will develop his maha-bhagavata stage. And

madhyama-adhikari means he knows how to make others hari-jana, or

devotee.

                         isvare tad-adhinesu

                         balisesu dvisatsu ca

                       prema-maitri-krpa upeksa

                       yah karoti sa madhyamah

He not only worships the Deity wholeheartedly... That is prema. Isvare

prema. But beyond that, tad adhinesu--he knows how to respect the

devotees, tad adhinesu, isvara adhinesu. That means other devotees.

Then he becomes madhyama-adhikari. If he simply takes care of the

Deity worship and if he does not offer respectful behavior to another

devotee, he is kanistha-adhikari. He is in the lower stage. So isvare

tad adhinesu. He must see that "Here is a devotee." He must have power

to see that “here is a devotee”.

761117SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225504/530501

It is not possible nowadays to imitate Rsabhadeva. Just like the Jains,

they imitate that. What their imitation...? Not a single Jain up till

now has become perfectly in the renounced order of life. So they say

so. It was imitated by one king in the South India, and he is the

originator, propounder of the Jainism. They say. But you cannot

imitate Rsabhadeva. That is not possible in this age. Better try to

follow the instruction of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Krsna. Your life

will be perfect.

761120SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225556/530501

So here is incarnation of God, Rsabhadeva. Now there are so many

rascal incarnation. Is it possible to pass stool and make it surabhi?

Is it possible? So you can ask these rascals incarnation that "Pass

your stool here. Let us see first of all. Then we shall accept you."

Practical. "We are fools and rascals. We want practical test." So

sastra-caksusah. This is the injunction, sastra. Here is sastra, that

the incarnation of God, even He passes stool, it is fragrant. He can

do it. That is God. That practically you can see, that the cow dung...

Cow dung, you can make a stack of cow dung here. It will never disturb

you. You'll, rather, feel pleasure, passing through that portion of

field where cow dung is stacked. You'll never feel any disturbance

because it is pure. Cow dung... We have discussed this point many

times. Where it is impure, that it makes pure. In Indian villages,

still they use cow dung for smearing over the floor, and it becomes

very nice, fresh, and purified. That is injunction of the sastra, that

cow dung is pure. So if by the will of Krsna, by the arrangement of

Krsna, even an animal's stool can become so purified, what to speak of

Krsna's stool?

761120SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225558/530501

Krsna in truth. It requires time. He... Not all of a sudden you can

understand. But if you stick to devotional service, sevonmukhe hi

jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah, then He reveals. When you engage

your tongue... It is also wonderful. To understand Krsna, you require

your tongue. Generally we understand by seeing or by hearing. Hearing

is there, but here it is recommended tongue, especially. Why tongue is

used? Because if you simply chant Hare Krsna by your tongue and taste

Krsna prasadam, you will understand Krsna. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau

svayam eva sphuraty adah. If you make it a promise that "I shall not

talk anything except Krsna's message," and if you promise that "I

shall not take anything which is not offered to Krsna," these two

things, this prasadam and chanting, will make you perfect to

understand Krsna.

761122SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225606/530501

shall continue to be individuals." There is no question of oneness.

Oneness means to agree to serve Krsna. That is oneness. There is no

disobedience, "Whatever You say, I accept"--that is oneness.

Anukulyena krsnanusilanam. That is oneness. At the present moment we

differ. We make differences. "Here is the opinion of the American.

Here is the opinion of Indian. Here is the opinion of the German. Here

is the opinion of the sudra, and so on, so on. So here means

disagreement, always disagreement. Because I am envious of you, you

are envious of me, so how there can be agreement? So wherefrom this

enviousness has begun? Because we are envious of Krsna. Because we are

envious of Krsna--"Why Krsna become God? I am also God." This is the

beginning of enviousness, this rascaldom, that "Why Krsna shall become

alone God?" He said, mam ekam saranam. "Why Krsna alone?" They say,

the rascal philosophers say, 'This is sophistry. It is demanding too

much. Mam ekam saranam vraja. Why? Why shall I accept You as the

Supreme?" This enviousness begins. This is the beginning of envy.

   So we become envious, each other. I am envious of you, you are

envious of me. So this Krsna consciousness is not meant for the

envious persons. It is meant for very liberal, panditah sama-darsinah.

One who has become sama-darsinah, he is perfectly learned. And that is

very difficult. It is meant for them. Dharmah projjhita-kaitavo atra

paramo nirmatsaranam. It is not meant for such bhangi (?), one who

thinks that "My Hinduism is better than your Muhammadanism," or he

thinks, "My Muhammadanism is better than your Hinduism." The

matsaratam, it is in religious platform... There is matsara. That

matsarata dharma, that kind of religious system... Just like there are

everywhere the same thing. In Ireland the fighting is going on between

the Protestants and the Catholics. Is it not? Going on continuously.

Now it has become so dangerous that you cannot walk on the street. At

any moment there will be bombs. Last time when I was in London I had

the experience. All of a sudden our car was diverted. The police came:

"There is bomb. You cannot go there." So this is going on. In London,

in Germany, and other places it has become a terrible place. At any

moment there can be bomb. And what is the bombing? The fight between

the Catholics and the Roman Catholics and Protestants. Just like we

have got experience, Pakistan and India, in 1947. Calcutta itself

became divided into two, Pakistan and Hindustan. Nobody was going.

There is one big road, Chitpoor Road. So up to Hanson Road, it is

Hindustan, and after that, it is Pakistan. The Pakistanis did not dare

to come to this side.

   So this is matsara. The matsarata, enviousness, that is the nature

of this material world. Therefore Krsna consciousness,

krsna-bhakti-rasa-bhavita-matih, it is very, very rare. Rupa Gosvami

said, "This rare thing, if you can purchase, do it immediately

wherever available."

761123SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225634/530501

   So those who are atma-rama, those who have taken to the

bhakti-yoga, their karma-phala is finished. Karmani nirdahati kintu ca

bhakti-bhajam. They are not... The devotee may be observed that he's

also engaged in ordinary work. He's also printing books and selling

them and maintaining mathas and temples. "So he is also doing

business." No, that is not business. That is bhakti. Sometimes bhakti

appears to be like ordinary karma, but it is not karma. It is karma in

this way, that the same peas, it looks like peas, but if you sow it,

it will not produce anymore. Bharjitani. Ava-bharjitani. Yajnarthe

karmano 'nyatra loko 'yam karma-bandhanah. If you work for Krsna, it

appears to be ordinary work, but it is not ordinary work. It is not

the cause of bandhanah. But if you work for Krsna, there is no more

karma-bandhanah. Karmani nirdahati ca kintu ca bhakti-bhajam. All

others... Yas tv indragopam maha indra... There is a germ, it is

called indragopa. From indragopa to that Indra the King of heaven,

everyone is bound up by the laws of karma. Everyone is bound up. But a

bhakta is not bound up. How he can be bound up? Because as soon as he

surrenders to Krsna, Krsna gives him assurance, aham tvam

sarvapapebhyo moksayisyami; immediately finish...

761124SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225657/53050

 "Never trust woman and politician." So Canakya Pandita was not inexperienced; he was very experienced. All the slokas of Canakya Pandita--very useful for daily

affairs. So similarly, we should not trust the mind, that "Now I have

become liberated." Never think so. We should always remember that

liberation is not so easy thing, but if we follow the rules and

regulation, then there is every possibility of becoming liberated…

761125SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225685/530501

If you keep always within your mind Krsna, Krsna's lotus feet, you can

see Krsna's lotus feet, Deity, Baladeva, Balarama, how He is nicely

standing... You can see the nice lotus feet. Don't try to see the face

all of a sudden. Try, practice to see the lotus feet constantly. Sa

vai manah krsna-padara... This is a chance. This temple means to

practice how to think of Krsna's lotus feet, Balarama's lotus feet,

always. Man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah. Immediately you become bhakta. And

as soon as you become a bhakta, kecit kevalaya bhaktya

vasudeva-parayanah, dhunvanti agham krtsnam: all kinds of disturbances

will be subsided, dhunvanti. Niharam iva bhaskarah. This is the sastra

injunction.

761127SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225727/530501

Therefore in the beginning, the neophyte devotees they

should not try to understand the dealings of the gopis with Krsna.

They should not try to understand. Unless one is free from the

material concept, sarvopadhi vinirmuktam tat-paratvena nirmalam. That

means we have to execute devotional service in the regulative

principle. "I cannot follow the regulative principle and I am trying

to understand Radha-Krsna prema," this is rascaldom. This is

rascaldom. Only rascals will do that. He does not see his position,

that "What is my position? I am still full of lusty desires. My mind

is still disturbed by seeing a nice woman or nice man, and I am

discussing Radha-Krsna?" This is nonsense. Narottama dasa Thakura

said, rupa- raghunatha pade haibe akuti kabe hama bujhabo se

yugala-piriti. Unless you are expert in devotional service, by

practical application of the instruction of Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu...

Rupa-raghunatha pade haibe akuti. Then if we are qualified, then some

day we may be able to understand what is yugala-piriti, love between

Krsna and Radharani. Not so sudden. That is sahajiya. Not so sudden.

We should not try to do that. First of all I must see how much I have

become sarvopadhi vinirmuktam, how much I am free from the

designational position. Then we shall be able.

761128SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225732/530501

Pradyumna: "Lord Rsabhadeva was the head of all kings and emperors

within this universe, but assuming the dress and language of an

avadhuta, He acted as if dull and materially bound. Consequently, no

one could observe His divine opulence. He adopted this behavior just

to teach yogis how to give up the body. Nonetheless, He maintained His

original position as a plenary expansion of Lord Vasudeva, Krsna.

Remaining always in that state, He gave up His pastimes as Lord

Rsabhadeva within the material world. If, following in the footsteps

of Lord Rsabhadeva, one can give up his subtle body, there is no

chance that one will accept a material body again."

Prabhupada.. So this is also opulence of Krsna. Jadavad

avadhuta-vesa. Although He is the proprietor, sarva-loka-mahesvaram,

still, this is another opulence, how to become renounced. This is

another opulence. It is as good as the other opulences. Aisvaryasya

samagrasya……queens, and millions of descendants, yadu-vamsa. This is

another side, and this is another side, vairagya. Jnana-vairagya.

Jnana. We can understand a little piece of His contribution of jnana,

Bhagavad-gita. That is a little piece of His stock of knowledge. Five

thousand years He spoke, and still it is being continued, not only in

India, but also all over the world. This is jnana. So

anyway--strength. When He was seven years old, Krsna, He lifted the

Govardhana Hill. Jnana- vairagya, everything complete. That is God.

Nothing less. Not that, that "I am rich man, but I cannot lie down on

the street." Not that kind of vairagya. He is complete, completely

different from a rich person. Akhila-loka-pala. He is the controller

of the whole universe; still, you see His vairagya.